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Royce, Jean Isobel

File consists of a recording of Jean Royce. Topics of the conversation include TAPE ONE 'Historical Sketch of the Medical Education of Women', Osier Club booklet, 1916. Family photo (St. Thomas, Ontario). Sister Catherine as violinist, teacher; use of music to assist teaching; studies at McMaster University, work in St. Thomas and Toronto public libraries. Father as industrial foreman, son of farmer; removal from St. Thomas to small outlying farm (retaining job in St. Thomas), 'back to the land' impulse; perfectionist nature (compulsion to pluck every bug from every potato plant). Sister Marion as family scholar; attendance McMaster University, Ontario College of Education; eager family interest in Marion's letters, (first member to leave home); position as secretary, Girls' Work Board for Canada (CGIT). Subject's firm belief in co-education, interest in Kathleen Ryan on convent schooling (see interview 46, Ryan, Kathleen). Family decision to remove Catherine from lessons at St. Thomas convent: nuns' exploitation of Catherine's musical talent, turning her into show-off 'star'. Belief in co-education, derived from Quakers; interest in Society of Friends. Kathleen Ryan's glowing recollection of peaceful Renfrew County convent life. Former rumour of excessive punishment at Kingston convent; warmth of local Roman Catholic Regiopolis school (co-educational), fine character of nuns and mother superior at local Notre Dame convent. Role of co-education in adjusting students for society; former teaching experience at Ontario Ladies' College (Whitby, Ontario).//Diverse OLC student population (Canadian, American, Nigerian, Japanese, at least one Negro). 'Normal' upbringing; complete surprise at birth of younger sister; recollection of female school principal, unusual for the times; liking for schooling. Brother's banking career. Holiday employment as camp leader (mid-1920s) with Neighbourhood Workers (Bolton, Ontario), entertaining tired mothers and babies. Choice of library career, happy employment at St. Thomas Public Library; library work as good background for registrarial career. Mother as church­woman, deeply interested in missions; as remarkable cook, without patience to teach children; informally educated, very knowledgeable, sympathetic, supportive, generous. Attendance at library school; father's death; sister Marion's resignation of CGIT work, MA at University of Toronto, eventual employment with international YWCA, Geneva, as liaison officer with United Nations, New York. Extramural registration at Queen's, summer school attendance 1925, resident enrolment 1927; attraction to Kingston. Employment Ontario Ladies' College; invitation from Queen's Dr. McNeill to assist Registrar Alice King. Undergraduate position as secretary to Professor Min Gordon, Educational Secretary of lODE; men students' attempt to storm Candlelighting Ceremony, intimidated by Min Gordon; Gordon as 'the heart of goodwill and kindness' as subject's employer; maritime origins of Gordon's father, Queen's Principal Gordon; Min Gordon's 'tremendous pre­judices', sense of propriety.// TAPE TWO Min Gordon's inability to accept father's retirement, removal to Gordon House (later Queen's women's residence). Subject's appointment while Assistant Registrar as women's residence Warden, to supplement wretched salary; delightful acquaintance with Gordon House students; anxiety for tardy canoeists (later punished by women's Levana Society disciplinary council) as sole cause for alarm. Non-interfering role as Warden: responsible natures of house president, Levana Society president; residence houses as pleasant, relaxed places; importance of keeping house 'in good fettle' during exams. Pressures of registrarial work (death of former broken-down Registrar Alice King, exhausted by work, pressure): huge correspondence with incoming students; 'constant flow' of students in need of counselling; secretarial appointment (minute-taking, writing-up, correspondence) to Faculty of Arts, Senate, Committee of Departments, Board of Studies. Appointment of Jean Richardson (1936) as first office secretary (later Assistant to the Registrar); Richardson's exceptional competence, ability to lift much of Royce's burden. Horror at Queen's introduction of paper diplomas. Appointment as Registrar, 1933. Happy, cooperative, sociable office staff; Ralph Clench, valued staff character, man­of-all-work, lecturer in Queen's Mathematics Department. Present-day division of Registrar's former decision-making responsibility among various Faculty offices. Counselling individual incoming students on choice of programme as major part of registrarial work; responsibility for university calendar (soliciting programme descriptions from professors, checking descriptions with eagle eye for compliance with university regulations); administration of scholarships as huge workload, responsibiIity (advantage of acquaintance with Miss Gordon's system of developing Canadian Federation of University Women Scholarships). Preoccupation preceding retirement with reconstitution of Queen's Senate.//Cooperation with Senate over scholarships, degree lists. Health breakdown (1965), hospitalization, retirement. Regret she was never offered sabbatical leave. University reorganization at time of retirement, division of academic and administrative bodies; faculty desire in mid-1960s to assume some direct administration; Senate reconstitution, subject's involvement writing papers, evolving committees. Holiday travel, travel as committee convenor for Internaional Federation of University Women. Time given up to advising university staff, preparing papers as member of study group; limited outside social life. Pressure of registrarial work, unwillingness to stay so long in a job again; lack of equivalent job opportunities throughout Depression, 'it worked out very well for a long time'. Astonishment at numbers of freshmen entirely ignorant of what university is, despite Queen's long-established high school liaison programme; subject's province-wide address to high school students, participation in registrar's conferences. Contributions of faculty members George Whalley, Clint Lougheed, to success of university calendar. Academic snobbery of Queen's French Department; subject's continual 'battling' with friend P.G.C. Campbell

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Royce, Jean Isobel (II Jackson, 24 August 1977)

File consists of a recording of Jean Royce. Topics of the conversation include Ontario School of Librarianship attendance (1923); appointment to general staff, St. Thomas Public Library; applicability of library training to employment in Queen's Registrar's Office; summer employment as document categorizer, Queen's Douglas Library. Multiple positions common amongst senior Queen's University staff, e.g. Dr. Mackintosh (Director of School of Commerce, Department of Economics, etc.). Teaching application to Ontario Ladies' College, Whitby; instruction of religious studies, history, English; heavy extracurricular duties, weekend entertainment programmes, live-in duties as residence floor supervisor; enjoyment of staff, students (including foreign students), school of music. Realization of limited teaching ambition, enjoyment of OLC in the short runonly; acceptance of Dr. McNeill's invitation to assist Queen's Registrar Alice King. Low salary as Assistant Registrar, application for women's residence wardenship; former student residence in Ban Righ, Macdonnell House, Goodwin House; eventual wardenship of all three residence annexes, including newly-opened Gordon House. Women's rise to prominence at Queen's during WWI: Charlotte Whitton, Hilda Laird, Mrs. Norman Miller, able mathematics instructor Mrs. Newljlnds, Greek instructor Mary Macdonnell. Summer school attendance during building of Ban Righ, still a prized women's holding. University building boom (1920s) compensating for halt during WWI; new status of universities as public institutions, partially dependent on government funds; impression (1927) that development was justified: active, bustling, clamouring world' of newly developing sciences, medicine; increasing birthrate, large enrolments in summer school. Student assistance funds during 1920s, negligible compared with post-WWII student support programme. Periods preceding and following WWII as 'one of the most exciting times of my life': first appearance of married students; combination of veterans avid for opportunity, university able to supply opportunity. Range of post-war course registration; European broadening of enIisted men's outlook, interests. Responsibility of Registrar's Office for assessing quality of degrees; Registrar's Office as important first contact for students, continuing personal contact (not so today). Historic decline in head of department status, formerly seen as premier position everyone strived for; absence of female heads of departments until introduction of School of Nursing. Excellence of staff assistants during period as Registrar, e.g. Jean Richardson; unprecedented 'finish' attained by office since influx of graduates from University of Western Ontario Secretarial School. //Personal rewards of career as Registrar, rooted in central 'place of contact' with schools, students, faculty, other registrars; satisfaction of administering scholarships, following student records, watching for and encouraging potential scholars. Loss of scholarships (1970s) during decline of Canadian economy. Breakup of Queen's Registrar's Office (specialization, dispersion of functions); criticism of present set-up 'there's no central place to which you can go for help; there's a run-around'. Myth that former teaching faculty enjoyed exceptionally long holidays. Relation between size of university and staff availability to students; close contacts maintained at University of Minnesota; comparison of Queen's, 'a lively place', with Trent University. Change in values implicit in new Registrarial scheme. Personal basis required for acquainting students with opportunities; helpful inclination of subject's staff, literally willing to guide fresh students on their way; co-operative spirit of Queen's professors. Critical act of staff selection, 'always a gamble'; approachability of Assistant Registrar Margaret Hooey. Potential danger of being 'run ragged'; assessment that most students wish to be taught to help themselves. Dean Sinclair's recent address to Queen's support staff (recommended reading). Effects of university growth: delegation of responsibilities, greater demands on professors, wasteful student 'waiting around' for attention to problems. Marg Hooey's 'infinite patience': personal tradition of University of Toronto, Bryn Mawr training. Student's right to source of information about programmes, what they lead to, what is available. Guidance avenues other than Registrar's Office: strong tradition of Queen's Deans of Women, admiration for Deans Evelyn Reid, Hilda Laird; helpfulness of Deans of Art, e.g. john Matheson; personal outlook of at least some staff in every faculty. Administrative fault of creating positions without the right people in hand to fill them; spread of employee '9:00 to 5:00' complex with expansion of society's recreational activities. Jean Richardson's playful, responsible attitude to boring work with student records. Contribution of staff 'characters', e.g. Ralph Clench; Clench's creation of new staff hierarchy, many employees his willing slaves; 'invigilation' exam patrol duties, supervision of exam timetables; practical assistance at convocations, teaching duties with Mathematics Department, many responsibilities both created and conferred. New contribution of generalist Padre to university community; subject's alignment with generalists; acknowledged need for specialists also in today's society.

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Royce, Jean (IV: Hooey, 5 March 1978)

File consists of a recording of Jean Royce. Topics of the conversation include administrative handling of graduate studies programme previous to Dean of Graduate Studies appointment (late 1950s); limited number of graduate students (most perhaps in Geology); access to outside funding, especially from industry, mining, National Research Council Fellowships. Position as Secretary to Fellowships Committee; responsibility for graduate student admissions, in consultation with Department heads. Undergraduate scholarships in 1950s: Department of Veteran Affairs assistance for WWII veterans; entrance scholarships; Queen's obsession with self-image as national university, introduction of undergraduate provincial scholarships, one per province (large number of Saskatchewan applicants). Details of Provincial Scholarship. Peculiar case of Alison Mackintosh, brilliant student constantly awarded scholarships: father's determination not to accept money from university coffers, continued bequests to university to match Alison's scholarships. Sudden drop in applications from rural students, connected with expiry of original donors to Principal Grant's fund drive (permitted to nominate one student each for free tuition). Opinion that Depression didn't deter serious students. Farm students' specialization, application to Ontario Agricultural Colleges rather than to Queen's; numerous small scholarships available at agricultural colleges, limited competition. Short-lived Whig Standard poetry prizes ($500 to three students). Gen­ eral Motors Scholarships (since discontinued) as a great boon to students. Numerous petty undergraduate scholarships. Position on Scholarship Committee with heads of departments. Occasional cold shoulder turned towards subject as administrator by faculty member; friendship with most of faculty; absence of administrative - academic hostility as it exists now. Enormous load of responsibility: positions on Library Board; as secretary to Senate, Faculty of Arts, all committees; preparation of degrees, scholarships; lengthy consultation by faculty members; counselling of individual students, referring of student problems. Flexible yet consistent nature of university regulations then, intelligent application of regulations made possible by thorough acquaintance with individual student histories, by having one person (i.e. Royce) in charge, in intimate acquaintance with all university committees. Misgivings of some university faculty about Registrarial power; subject's sense that she did not wield power, things were decided by committee. Administrative role of Deans during 1950s, tie-in with Registrar's Office. //Subject's introduction of detailed agenda for committee meetings. Lack of inhibition on account of sex, practice of speaking up in committees at will. Prophecy on visit with Deans to schools that any university omitting to establish Department of Russian would regret this; subsequent initiation of Russian Department at Queen's. Beginning of student representation on decision-making committees in late 1960s, previously unthinkable, never considered; appreciation of students' enormous contribution to committees, 'some of them are infinitely more intelligent than their professors'. Queen's Saturday luncheons for high school students. Subject's indebtedness to Professor George Whalley for lessons in good printing and design. Tedious tasks of marks recording, calendar preparation, done by staff assistants. Subject's assumption of ever-greater responsibilities for efficiency's sake, service to students of having one single central place to apply to for help; clumsy irresponsible systems of those who doubted her. Enjoyment of personal counselling; knowledge which faculty member a student would best be referred to. Faculty decision only to counsel students on receipt of $25 counselling fee. Subject's selection of faculty to man desks during registration. Faculty members' former habit of departing on holiday last day of spring classes, leaving submission of student marks to clerical staff; Royce's suggestion they should stay till marks were safely in. Position on Board of Library Curators. Close working relationship at first, 'learning the ropes', with former Registrar Dr. McNeill. Dr. McNeill's respect for women. Circumstances of original appointment to assist Registrar Alice King. Dr. McNeill's background as scholar, new to financial administration: proud claim that no one lost in salary at Queen's throughout Depression, as happened in many universities. Strong conservative element 'in any thinking man', naturally cautious nature of scholars and universities.

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Royce, Jean Isobel (III Jackson 17 June 1977)

File consists of a recording of Jean Royce. Topics of the conversation include full-time admission to Queen's after part-time summer courses: amusing drop in status from mature student to freshette. Male students' envy of newly-built Ban Righ women's residence. Town girls' custom of entertaining freshettes; Bishop of Ontario's scornful, militant daughter hostess. EnIightenment at Registrar's conference (mid-1950s) that Queen's was not reaching high school students effectively; consequent run of descriptive bulletins (virtual calendars; 5000 first edition) beginning 1953. Previous coloured-sheet advertisements with attractive photos of university buildings. Professor George Whalley's assistance with calendars. Women students' contribution during WWII, interest in Royal Military College ball. Scholarships avaiIable to students; Dr. Mackintosh's drive to establish Queen's on a footing with other universities; administrative fear of Queen's becoming a parochial university, establishment of Provincial Scholarships (open to students in each province; including tuition, cash, railway fare) in 'first big effort' to attract brilliant students from across Canada. Subject's intensive communication with scholarship applicants,in writing and in person. Understanding of American colleges as likely places for graduate work; Queen's aim to establish sound undergraduate programme, though compelled to encourage graduate studies in order to attract first-rate faculty. Numerous scholarships established by Principal Grant; Principal Grant's fund-raising drive; generous donors to Queen's (including R.S. Maclaughlin). Relaxing of Queen's purely academic standards of admission (without lowering. standards), reflected in altered nature of Marty Memorial Fellowship award: wider application of Marty Memorial Fellowship now, recognition of variety of students' interests, approaches, abilities. Disapproval of changing higher fees for foreign students, seen as limiting. Regret for dissolution of women students' Levana Society, recognition that merging of male and female student organizations also leads to new freedom. //Outstanding female presidents of Alma Mater Society, female Provincial Scholars; feminism as perhaps 'in the background of people's minds' in earlier days. Marty Memorial Fellowship as 'bee in the bonnet' of Min Gordon; concern to keep Marty Scholarship on the level of 'pure academic work', only altered to more open concept in 1970s. Cyclical nature of society's limiting obsessions: recent extremes in application of 'buy Canadian' exhortation; McGill University's former longstanding refusal to admit Jews (only think of the Jews' contributions to scholarship); Queen's former refusal to admit Negro students into Medicine; changing face of Canadian population from WASP to multicultural character. Subject's extensive liaison visits to highschools during 1930s; Queen's Saturday 'open house' programmes for students, dissemination of 'Queen's University, Kingston' pamphlets, speakers. Organization of Teachers' Weekends (high school teacher - Queen's professor conferences at Queen's) by subject and Monica McQueen, wonderful opportunities for acquaintance with Queen's philosophy and campus, discontinued after three years. Territorial competition of various universities, concern to extend customer boundaries. Special demonstrations, lectures, by various departments for benefit of Teachers' Weekend participants. Despair at recent illiteracy statistics, degradation of English language in hands of Faculty of Education.

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Royce, Jean (V: Gordon, 31 October, 1977)

File consists of a recording of Jean Royce. Topics of the conversation include Queen's graduates Jessie and Dorothy Dyde, both graduates of Smith College, both librarians. Powerful Queen's woman librarian Laura Saunders, 'a pillar'; Queen's former librarian to the King of England Mr. Kite, untrained by today's standards but with very special knowledge of books, 'an air of heraldry'. Laura Saunders' sister Elsie (Hilda Laird's replacement at League of Nations Library, Geneva). Laird's appointment to Queen's as 25 year-old Dean of Women, accompanied by pleasant mother ('a very attractive pair'); Alumnae eagerness to make the appointment; exacting nature of residential Dean's work. Subject's graduation from Queen's in 1930, employment at Ontario Ladies' College, Whitby, invitation to assist ailing Queen's Registrar Alice King. Boarding house residence at Queen's, 1925; contrast with formality of residence life in Ban Righ,1927. Approval of period of employment between high school and university, to define one's interests, develop maturity. Subject's love of books, major in English and History; great interest in mediaeval period, thwarted by limitation of Queen's courses to Canadian history; appreciation of Chaucer. Responsibility for religious knowledge classes at Ontario Ladies' College; previous bible study courses at camp, attendance at Queen's Theological classes; 'meaty' lectures of Queen's Theology Principal Kent, very clear and informative, with no opportunity for questioning, discussion; limitations of early lecture methods, seen not as 'a round table for ideas' but as 'a presentation of results of thought'; similarity of Shakespeare courses under George Herbert Clarke (who sold students his lectures in printed form for a nickel each). Compulsory lecture attendance. Summer employment as Queen's student documenting material in basement of Queen's library. Undergraduate employment in Reference Department under Miss Rayson; Rayson's recommendation of subject to Registrar Alice King, 'a good worker - and she's not particularly interested in men'.//Enjoyment of Alice Chown's diary; Chown's nephew, daughter, in Toronto. Disbelief of story that Chown was paid during Depression not to stay in Kingston. Appointment of Dr. McNeill (always lamenting his surrender of teaching) by Queen's A.Y. Chown, fearful that something dreadful would befall unless he was succeeded by Dr. McNeill. Alice Chown's pseudonymous publications. Mrs. Adam Shortt (Smith), early female medical doctor, graduate of Queen's. Interviewer's reflections on Alice Chown's exploration of 'ideas of alternative marriage styles'. Advancement of women during WWI : sobering reflection on social advantages derived from war (can we avoid war?), periods of social guilt followed by periods of atonement; witness to prompt German efforts at post-war reconstruction (1947), necessity for immediate action, no time for regret, reflection. Identification of 12th century as western history's most civilized period; tremendously cultured contributions at present day of women in Switzerland, possibly a peak in history of female civilization; 'Golden Age' of Queen's during 1950s,under Dr. Mackintosh. Vindication of homosexuals as useful citizens during WWI, similar vindication of women; subject's accepting acquaintance with homosexual students at Queen's.

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