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David, Olive, nee Zeron

File consists of a recording of Olive David. Topics of the conversation include TAPE ONE Lasting friendships made in Queen's women's residences. English and French at Queen's; attendance Ontario College of Education; surplus of teachers in job market, fortunate extension of Brockville Collegiate temporary teaching appointment to fifteen years. Specialist qualification in Phys. Ed at Queen's summer school. Entrance into teaching as part of 'drift' (for want of options) of female graduates into OCE; continuation through utter happiness of Brockville years. Splendid Brockville friendships; community role as co-founder of local Girl Guides. Restless ambition during WWII; resignation from teaching; enrolment in Columbia Univ. summer school (French, Spanish, Abnormal Psychology). Wonderful experience of New York: residence in International House, 'a broadening experience'; cheap daily theatre attendance; discovery of vocational interest through conversation with social worker, Columbia Univ. aptitude test. Enrolment in Univ. of Toronto School of Social Work, 1943-45; position as head of student body, representative on U. of T. students' executive counciI. Former position as editor of apolitical Levana Society section, Queen's Journal; position on Ban Righ Council; non-existence of campus women's movement (1923-25). Warm memories of Prof. Macdonald's Sunday night open houses; student friendships, acquaintance with everyone; successful years of Queen's football team. Student attendance at Morrisburg High School; near certainty of proceeding to university if one entered upper school; farm parents' anxiety that children should be educated; brother's previous attendance at Queen's. Three brilliant male contemporaries sent up to Queen's from Morrisburg High (including Dr. B.W. Sargent of Queen's Physics Dept., member of Chalk River nuclear energy team). Continuing love of family farm. Summer courses in Trois Pistoles, Guelph, Toronto; visit to desolate part of Alaska, opportunity to see how people managed their lives; terrific visit with Queen's grad Margaret White's family in Jamaica. Salary of $2100 per year at time of resignation from teaching, sense of having and enjoying everything. Happy supervision of five YWCA day camps (employed by Queen's grad Eva Coombe, head of Toronto YWCA) during summers at School of Social Work.//Quebec conference on community planning, 1944: insight into fermenting Quebecois problem of cultural self-preservation, liberation from English Canadian and Roman Catholic domination. Executive directorship of Ottawa YWCA (six and a half years); introduction of rotating board memberships, fund-raising cafeteria; inability to maintain managerial aloofness, compulsion to pitch in to activities at all levels. Splendid staff; enjoyment of being integral part of Ottawa community, actively connected with network of social service agencies. Executive directorship of Windsor YW - YMCA (four and a half years) as first female director of joint Association, resignation of three male members in protest (two of whom returned); acceptance, co-operation from male/female board, absence of sexist discrimination. YM - YWCA programmes, staff, counselling and residence services; travellers’ aid department in Ottawa, boardinghouse inspection services in Windsor. Windsor service clubs the Ysmen, Ysmenettes; close connection with Detroit YMCA, YWCA. Resignation, 1956; postponement of European travelling plans, renewal of Ottawa friendships; explanation of Zonta service club organisation. Membership in Red Cross Austrian mission, directing camp for Hungarian refugees en route to Canada; campsite in former army training camp, badly bombed because of proximity to Messerschmidt factory (of 3500 member community, 18 houses remained intact); responsibility for entertaining refugees, largely by encouraging their own exceptional artistic talents.//TAPE TWO Details of refugee camp: flow of money and goods from League of Red Cross; purchase of musical instruments for camp orchestra; kindergarten, wonderfully decorated with mural paintings by camp artists, 'so willing to beautify the place'; absence of language problems, discovery that man communicates in many more ways than by speech alone. Feeling of brotherhood (despite inconvenient lack of privacy, dormitory life); moving expressions of cultural solidarity: heartfelt renditions of Hungarian national anthem, camp-member's valuable poem on valise of Hungarian memories packed to come to Canada. Close of camp; European holiday tour with Red Cross associates. Summer employment in similar camp for unwanted Hungarian refugees denied access to adoptive countries. Year's travel in Europe; unusual fortune in linking up with old friends and new acquaintances. Mistaken identification as Red Cross nurse, receipt of Red Crescent (Red Cross) hospitality, Istanbul; voluntary instruction of much-desired English language instruction classes in return. Stimulating stay in Athens YWCA (active career-training centre for Greek women: 5000 members learning typing, shorthand, embroidery, etc.), acquaintance with fascinating woman historian later visited in Salzburg; chance meeting with old friend in Florence; three­month stay with new friends in Vienna; tour of France and Spain with former Brockville acquaintance encountered in Geneva; Scandinavian tour with American acquaintance, visiting Viennese friend's relations; departure to England, received by family (Margaret White) formerly visited in Jamaica. Return to Canada, 1958. Refusal of job offer to direct Montreal YWCA; executive appointment to Toronto Social Planning Council (Area Councils section) as investigator of community services. //Ten-year employment with Social Planning Council: joint battle with Margaret Campbell to establish children's daycare centres; initiation with church organisations of 'Meals on Wheels' programme; pioneer research into early identification of children's learning problems; study of recreational needs and existing facilities; fruitful cooperation with Public Health nurses (a mine of community information); eye-opening investigation into lives of Toronto's senior citizens. Good staff relations on SPC; retirement just as Toronto citizens were beginning to participate (previous difficulty getting people involved). Unsatisfactory attempt to combine teaching and social work experience as teacher at Richmond Hill school for the emotionally disturbed; resignation after one term, frustrated by inability to reach many violently disturbed children. Blissful appointment as first director of Summer Centre for Seniors (1 000 participants in 1970), exercising SPC contacts and experience; never-failing supply of volunteer-workers; regretful resignation after two years on account of bad knee condition. Support of women's movement objective of equal pay for equal work; recognition of sexual discrimination in society, despite personal experience of complete equality in terms of pay, acceptance by working associates. Personal inability to function unless on equal working terms with superiors and subordinates alike. Tendency of women's lib speakers to hog discussion time in male-and-female public debates; Laura Sabia's humorous control of one man's attempt to make public fun of her. Doubtful success of Royal Commission on the Status of Women in changing men's attitudes to women. Belief in supporting individuals as people, not in their roles as men or women.

David, Olive

Ferguson, Edith

File consists of a recording of Edith Ferguson. Topics of the conversation include application for highschool teaching positions,1932-41; unhappy employment at lower salary in public schools. Teaching career seen in rural Ontario childhood as least of three possible evils (nursing, stenography); decision to quit and enter social work (inspired by women professionals' programme of talks to women students, arranged by Queen's Dean of Women Hilda Laird). Attendance at School of Social Work, Univ. of Toronto; temporary employment in Hamilton community centre. 'Bitty' employment, Toronto, 1938-41 (supply-teaching, clerical work, reading to blind person); job-hunting, extensive reading. Employment in munitions plant (1941-43) as personnel interviewer, as factory worker till contraction of dermatitis (occupational hazard). YMCA employment as assistant organiser, armed services recreation programmes; transfer to Scotland; details of services. Application, eager for adventure, to United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration programme (London); clerical posting to British Zone, Germany, duties as welfare officer in displaced persons camps. Poor housing in camps; multinational population, administration; multilingual atmosphere; social life and travel commitments of administrators. Return to Canada, 1947; two months' residence with mother; undesirable, uneconomical employment as caseworker, Toronto Children's Aid Society. Transfer to Columbia Univ. for MA in Adult Education; completion of degree by two summers' fulltime study, one-year's part­ time coursework combined with overload of menial employment (I don't think I've ever worked so hard before or since'). Return to Canada, renewed unemployment, residence with mother; cornering of community organisation and adult education jobs, seen as new fields in Canada, by men; postwar job priority accorded to men. Seasonal employment with Ontario Farm Radio Forum; summer employment with Canadian Association for Adult Education; temporary employment with Canadian Citizenship Council, as Canadian immigration counsellor in International Refugee Organisation camps, Germany. Improvement in camp conditions since previous employment. Employment as assistant to Director, Windsor Social Planning Council, 1952-60; enjoyment of community service committee activities (housing, mental health, immigration, unemployment), widespread conference participation. //Resignation from WSPC; recognition of personal restlessness, disinclination to stagnate, tendency to succession of short-term jobs combined with assiduous job-hunting. One-year employment as Director of community centre for established 'Black' community and newcomer West Indians (Toronto), problems integrating downtrodden 'Blacks' with self-confident West Indians. Fifteen-month stint as committee worker on Metropolitan Toronto Social Planning Council; pursuit of interest in immigration, despite expectation of remaining with SPC till retirement. Previous inability to find work in self-acknowledged field of immigration because of Canadian lack of understanding of immigrant problems, consequent lack of services. Sacrifice of job security for two-year appointment as special project supervisor, International Institute of Metropolitan Toronto; challenge of reorienting post-WWII immigrant services to accommodate new wave of Mediterranean rural immigrants. Widely publicized report Newcomers in Transition, leading to second two-year project (male-oriented) to convert unskilled immigrant people into semi-skilled workers; summary report Newcomers and New Learning. Two years' work with eight temporary employers: YMCA national headquarters, St. Christopher House (settlement house), Canadian Council on Social Development, Canadian Association of Social Workers, Toronto City Planning Dept., Cradleship Crèche day-nursery, Board of Education truancy department, Royal Commission on Status of Women. Brief return to Metropolitan Toronto Social Planning Council; five months' temporary survey work with Dept. of Manpower and Immigration. Critical report Immigrant Integration (directed at Ontario government), prepared for independent Ontario Economic Council; subject's pride in extra funds allotted to provincial immigration dept. as result of her recommendations. Employment since 1971: preparation of handbook for immigrants (Ministry of Community and Social Services); report on migrants, People on the Move (Canadian Council on Social Development); task force survey, Secretary of State dept.; seasonal employment, Ministry of Culture and Recreation; as organiser of intercultural seminars in ten Toronto cultural neighbourhoods, helping community workers and immigrants to understand each other; preparing publications for Guidance Section, Faculty of Education, Univ. of Toronto. Subject's 'outstanding woman' award, Province of Ontario (International Women's Year), election to Order of Canada. Precariousness, financial uncertainty of subject's career; motto 'I'd rather be dead than be bored', readiness to quit work which proved unsatisfactory. Mushrooming of immigration services in subject's time; dismay at lack of interest shown in beginning stages, social workers' insensitivity to immigrant problems. Smooth sailing of subject's career following Toronto professional recognition. Quebec separatist issue seen in light of larger multiculturalism issue; Canada as a country still in process of building, assimilating. Changes in Canadian social life since Depression era: self-reliance, resourcefulness of earlier social gatherings (subject's organ accompaniment to brother's fiddle numbers at Depression barn dances); greater sociabiIity, inexpensive fun, 'just plain visiting' of recently bygone Canadian era.

Ferguson, Edith

Gaston, Anne-Marie, nee Groves

File consists of a recording of Anne-Marie Gaston. Topics of the conversation include women's timidity faced with a man's world; married women's titles, surnames. Mother's concern that subject should be self-supporting. Subject's interest in dance; Phys. Ed. training at Queen's; application to CUSO. With CUSO to India via far east: war, heat, culture shock. Western culture as it now affects women's safety in India. Silly assignment to village camp; finding own work in lieu of help from Delhi. Discovery of India through travel, self through isolation. Learning Indian dance: early rising, absence of dating custom leaving loneliness, plenty of time for dancing. Subject's dance background. Benefits of social abstention; effect of separation on male-female relationships; change as' cure. Subject's zoologist husband. Convenience of being a couple in India; women as the more interesting, watchable sex. Husband's choice of doctoral work to coincide with subject's location. Indian belief that you choose an activity to benefit yourself: delicious incomprehension of CUSO volunteer-worker's martyred stance. Appreciation of Oxford libraries; Oxford University degree-work on Indian art. Subject's performances in Canada; Canada Council research grant to return to India. Financial independence through dance: drumming up business; wide variety of people interested. Dance as a door to many aspects of Indian culture. Eastern culture boom (subject's involvement pre­dating hippie influx). Subject as intuitive learner; observation that in classical art, unlike folk art, understanding is manifested by a grasp of rules.//lndia as a place where you experience humanity clearly, in the raw; subject's appreciation of Hindu philosophy. Place of female in Hindu religion, society. Dependence, restriction, of North Indian women; relative freedom in south. Strange experience of going veiled. Female emancipation in upper classes; women's role in government. Expectation in India that women will do something; western expectation that women should remain subservient, unrecognized. Credit institution vice of requiring male credentials for loans, etc. Male-female stereotype reversals. Moral, amorous pressures on women to sacrifice themselves. Subject's peer group as a sample study in women's lots: women marrying early or late, rarely in between. Possible limiting effects of youthful marriage. Subject's belief in the carrying force of true ambition: if you want to do something, you do it. Subject's life at Queen's during sixties. Small group learning at Oxford. Different patterns of attending university; privilege of learning in a protective environment at a crucial life-stage. Failure of women to apply education. Destructive social pressures exerted on husband of successful wife. Male-female aspects of Indian dance; male chauvinism in stories portrayed. Subject's opinion that everyone should dance: value of informal movement and of discipline. Relation of discipline to liberation (by extension, to Women's Lib).

Gaston, Anne-Marie

Lennon, Gladys R.

File consists of a recording of Gladys Lennon. Topics of the conversation include regular four-year relocations as minister's child; family relations with three brothers, connection with Bishop's College (Lennoxville, Quebec). Unwilling enrolment, at father's insistence, in Bishop's education course; seven unhappy years as schoolteacher. English major, French minor at Queen's; continued study of French throughout working life; loss of fluency since removal from French-speaking milieu. Assessment of Canadian bilingualism as 'not much of a prob­lem' (any English-speaking person can learn French if he tries); example of nephew tutored by fellow taxicab drivers. Ambition to drive, thwarted by brothers' prior claim on family car. Business course in Montreal ('which I wanted to do in the first place') following schoolteaching; 23 years' happy employment with Canadian Press. World War II memory of reporting on Montreal munitions factory French­ speaking celebration of its one-millionth shell. Fifteen years' employment with CP in Montreal (opening home to mother after father's death); advantage taken of CP hiring system to transfer to New York; transfer to Toronto. Canadian Press interviewing trip to Newfoundland; entertaining, educational value of CP career; analogous idea of Brian Moore's The Luck of Ginger Coffey. Acceptance of United Church Beard of Home Missions offer of employment; unsought nature of resignation from CP, honest decision that churchwork would be nearer her interests. Choice of 'ministers' grants' portfolio rather than 'church property', pleasure in acquaintance with world-wide endeavours of ministers, missionaries; recently threatened position of Brazilian missionary. Local (Kingston) church missions work as an habitual female preserve, despite numbers of missionaries of both sexes. Current post-retirement responsibility for informing and instructing Queen St. (Kingston) United Church missions units; role as information gatherer, human research index to Colbourne St. missions library; congregational role as prompter, 'trying to get the women interested in what we're supposed to be interested in', hand in Church publications (Mandate, minute remissions). Desire to be relieved of missions responsibilities, while maintaining strong missions interests developed since childhood. Admiration for achievements of female ministers. Single status; marriage as something that 'just never happened'. Lengthy CP position as sole female employee.//Comic anecdote of returned airforce pilot (missing, presumed dead). Self-characterization as neither writer nor talker. Satisfaction with personal lot, unusual chance at 'two such interesting backgrounds'. Mother's support for subject's ambitions; father's selfishness. Appreciation of United Church role as religious 'leader'; admiration for former moderators Howard, McClure.

Lennon, Gladys R.

Miller, Grace H., nee Jeffrey and Campbell, Catherine Janet, nee Boyle

File consists of a recording of Grace Miller. Topics of the conversation include Queen's Math Dept. c. 1911; ready acceptance of Queen's graduates by other grad schools. Doctoral work as theoretical possibility, highly unusual; MA degrees more standard. Strong encouragement, lack of inhibiting sexual discrimination, in subject's education, family life; contrast with Queen's sexist discrimination against granddaughter as Med School applicant. Daughter's attendance at Queen's, determined by family loyalty, financial considerations. Queen's campus, 1911-14: 250 female student population, possibility of knowing everyone. Shock of gas and oil lighting in 'Old Residence', Earl Street, after Ottawa electricity. Acquaintance with future husband in tiny Queen's office shared by 8 mathematics instructors. Etta Newlands, female math instructor at Queen's during 1890s; increase in female employees at Queen's following WWI years, Charlotte Whitton era. 1976/77 as first year Queen's female freshman (54%) have outnumbered men. Candlelighting ceremony, dated back to period between 1914 and 1921. Levana Society as far more active than Arts Society male counterpart; Levana disciplinary Council. Alumnae Association's women's residence fund drive, organised by active Ottawa members (Marty, Muir, Shortt): clock system of contributions, rummage sales. Organisation of general Alumni Association. Residence Fund Treasurers Miss Redden, May Chown. Aletta Marty, 'the most important person I ever met': exceptional abilities as French tutor; concern for women's higher education, women's place in society; recall by Queen's for Ban Righ sod-turning ceremony, honorary degree; death on return from Africa; Alumnae Marty Scholarship fund. Technical job, Topographical Surveys Dept., Ottawa, till 1921. Jeanne LeCaine Agnew, Queen's math grad, employed by McGill for WWII bomb research; frustrating restriction on early writings as classified information, thus unpublishable. Subject's return to Queen's for post-war celebrations: return of Grant Hall to university by army; huge convocation exercises; employment by Queen's Math Dept., hard-pressed to staff veteran-packed engineering courses. Sudden retirement from executive work; previous extensive involvement (past President) with Queen's Alumnae. Role of Alumnae apart from General Alumni Association; blow felt by Levana Society merger with Arts and Science Society. Alumnae role advancing women for executive positions. Admiration, dubious regard, for Charlotte Whitton; Whitton as subject of excellent radio programme; horror at Kay Whitton's comments on Charlotte. Omission of Whitton Hall ('I fear it was on purpose') on Queen's campus. Social evenings in Grant Hall. Drinking on campus as reported fact, never personally witnessed. Residence rules, 'made to be broken'; comparative boarding-house freedom. Subject's Math major, Physics minor; lecture/lab hours. Adequacy of Grant Hall for Convocation purposes; present-day arena-capacity requirements. Annexation of private houses for residence purposes; Observatory building used by Math students. Side Two is a recording of Catherine Campbell. Topics of the conversation include position as Chief Social Worker, Children's Section, Clarke Institute (Toronto), since 1966; 15 years' previous work with Toronto Psychiatric Hospital. Initial high proportion of children patients giving way to high proportion of adolescents. Recent shift within multi-disciplined Institute to cross­discipline expansion, based on specialist's desire to broaden role. Subject's original home in Weston, Ont.; juggled high school education due to crowding difficulties, quibbling over Toronto area boundaries. Attendance at Queen's, encouraged by family situation: responsibilities on farm too great after mother's death, family insistence that subject escape home pressures. Education as family priority, concern of musically-educated mother; freedom to choose place of study despite financial considerations. Queen's general Arts programme, subject's Psychology major. Enjoyment of Queen's: women students (300) as 25% of student population; participation in baseball team. Leanings toward social work encouraged by summer camp employment, influential Public Health aunt who praised social work, discouraged nursing. Lack of Sociology faculty at Queen's, extra course required for entrance to U of T MSW programme 10 years later. Position with Children's Aid (1947-9), 'great fun': working out of Timmins to Hearst, James Bay; colourful temporary child abandonment case, regular abandonment of children during blueberry-picking season. Interlude of marriage, period of psychometrical work in Toronto schools, 1937-47. Transfer to Toronto Psychiatric Hospital(government institute),1949; transfer to Clarke Institute (private board), 1966. Effect of financial cutbacks on subject's work: staff decrease from 9 to 3 since 1966; less administrative work, some teaching, more clinical duties. Change in patient problems: 1949-66 mostly neurotic cases (i.e. isolated character problem) from middle class, 2-parent families; since 1966, largely multi-problem cases (involving total character, more difficult to analyse) from single-parent families; wider class spread since OHIP subsidy. Upsurge in multi-problem patients perhaps related to upsurge in child-psychology specialists dealing with neurotic difficulties. Difficulties faced by single parents, single-parent offspring; problems caused by pressure on women to take outside work. Subject's training, sense of humour, as aids to perspective; ability to be compassionate at work, shed problems before going home. Enjoyment of many interests, hobbies; domestic responsibility for 90-year-old aunt. Friendships in and out offield, particularly with Timmins people and Queen's grad Martha Sheppard. Division of working women into three groups: bright, educated, professional women who want to work and therefore should; secretarial-level workers who often wish not to work, feel they must, yet can't afford acceptable mother­substitutes, and therefore shouldn't work; mothers who find children trying and need work as a reassurance of personal adequacy. Opinion that children need one-to-one care till at least age two. Younger Clarke workers' affinity with adolescent patients, helpful so long as they don't over-identify; subject's preference for child-patient work. Clarke day­treatment programme for children up to twelve.

Miller, Grace H.

Mitchell, Caroline

File consists of a recording of Caroline Mitchell. Topics of the conversation include Kingston Whig Standard article on subject (May 1978). Subject's golf enthusiasm, acquaintance with Sandra Post, Jacqueline Bourassa. Playing golf in England with enlisted father (WWI), dependence of club on Canadian soldiers for membership. Cataraqui Club membership, 1920; current practice (aet. 75: good for health, bad for morale), swimming exercise at cottage. Subject as former badminton champion; 'dandy' club formed by merger of city and garrison clubs in antique school (Wellington and Gore St.); failure of club after forced sale of building, WWII. Curling activities from 1960. Skiing interest at Queen's. French, English studies, let lapse after graduation; uncertainty of personal ambitions. Study for study's sake customary among women during 1920s; schoolteachers as sole female careerists. Annual formals (Meds, Arts, Science, Science Overflow); coveted tickets to Science formal, site of Science Overflow in present-day City Hall. Cheap, pleasant 'social evenings' sponsored weekly by various Years. Continued single status of many of subject's female contemporaries; Sibyl Maclachlan as notable exception. Subject's indecisive 'chequered career': proprietorship of wool shop prompted by hobby interest, ended by wool rationing during WWII; unspecified war job; book-keeping for real estate office; unspecified work, Alcan; book-keeping for Queen's Women's Residences, 1963-71; retirement, 'the best job there is'. Rooming-house business continued since 1940s: previous conformity with ban on co-ed student housing, recent acceptance of both sexes; acquaintance with students through friends, 'no need to advertise'; job benefits of making friends, keeping active. 'Thrill' of honorary recognition by Cataraqui Golf Club. //Stay in Germany with former rooming couple, side-trips to Paris, Spain. Four years in English girls' school (WWI). Time-honoured Kingston 'roots', residence in grandfather's house since childhood; family background. Lack of formal qualifications for book-keeping work; 'dandy' position at Queen's under Dean Bryce; employment by Mr. Bryce at AIcan. Utter contentment living in Kingston. Enjoyment of work, colleagues, despite poor pay; refusal to take coffee breaks, seen as waste of employer's time; stoic indifference to unequal status as female worker, lack of interest in women's movement. 'Beautiful time' playing sports after graduation, lack of defined ambition; decision not to marry, 'I'm so glad I didn't'. Surprising lack of interest in baseball, football, hockey (despite interest in football team at Queen's). Curling acquaintance with Judge Alice McKeown; lawyer Cooky Cartwright, subject's golf 'protegee'. Sandra Post's first Ontario golf tournament, aet. 11; older members' jealous protestation against junior's age (i.e. skill). Cartwright's advocacy of women golfers' right to wear shorts; subject's disapproval of extremes in golfers' dress codes (e.g. mini-shorts). Abstention from Cataraqui Club parties 'because I haven't got a man to go with'; participation in bridge club. Early pro members of Cataraqui Club: Bob Cunningham, Dick Green. Subject's acceptance of discriminatory fees, timetable restrictions placed on women in golf club; belief that members free to play on weekdays ought not to clutter the course outside business hours. Club election of male and female presidents; usual appointment of male president to club presidency. Male-female championship tournament trophy, seldom won by women (once by subject); subject's 'intense annoyance' with illogical assignation of runner-up award, ungenerous stroke differential, rendering male victory certain, trophy itself meaningless. Cataraqui Club fire, 1973.

Mitchell, Caroline

Murray, Mary Alice

File consists of a recording of Mary Alice Murray. Topics of the conversation include hardworking poverty of students enrolled at Queen's to upgrade teaching certificates; 'big effort' of Dept. of Extension students (female teachers and male ministers) to obtain degrees. Procedure of two women from Gr. 13 class, Notre Dame convent, to university (poverty of many, lack of familial support); own notion, derived from instructress, of higher education as responsibility (noblesse oblige). University as road for women to teaching or librarianship only; selection of courses on grounds of pleasure, ability. Value of Latin as mental discipline, foundation of literacy; resurgence in school curricula. Eventual marriage of 90% of female university contemporaries (often to university acquaintances); single status as a woman's 'last choice'. Women's lack of financial motive in attending university, enjoyment of study for its own sake, unselfish ambition, freedom from craving for success. Employment in government income tax office, 1941-57, while living with parents. Deaths of parents; enrolment in Queen's newly-opened law school (surprised by its existence); small number of women law students (12/100 at bar admission, Toronto, 1961); rare status as mature student taking second degree. Positive, sceptical response of several friends, sympathy of income tax boss, 'he approved of all these efforts and went to bat for me.' Bored reaction to income tax work, 'still searching for something'; extensive outside reading. Loss of old friends by the wayside (to marriage etc.), continual necessity of making new ones; early education in independence as only child; affectionate attachment to live-in uncle, distress during law school over his death. Position as sole female graduate of first class of Queen's law school; friendly diversity of class members, parties at subject's home. Generalist nature of Queen's law programme, inability then to specialize. Revulsion against prospect of teaching law; appointment as Secretary, Queen's Faculty of Law; halt to degree at LLB stage. Small registration (85 students, 8 faculty); truth of Dr. Lederman's prophecy subject's job would be an evolving one; enjoyment, satisfaction, of registrarial career. Dedication of Dr. Lederman to Faculty of Law, extensive public relations efforts.// Setting of academic tone of Queen's Faculty of Law by Drs. Corry, Lederman. Importance in life of 'a certain turning outwards', concern for other people; narcissism as self-destruction. Single status as a helpful factor in unstinting professional service; married women's conflicts of interest, strong sense of duty to family, home; dependence of men's success in careers on singleminded freedom from necessity to look after themselves. Levelling off in law school applications, possibility of having reached demand limits for Ontario lawyers. Longlived university attitude to women as mere sexual items, jocular leering over women's applica tions, essays at wit 'We realise you came here for your MRS’; lack of motivation to encourage women to apply. Careful thought given to subject's initial title, 'Secretary of the Law School' (equivalent to current 'Assistant Dean'). Valued personal contact with students as law school Registrar. Value of university where women hold key visible positions, hope that such positions do not 'gravitate back' into hands of men. Inspirational character of Registrar Jean Royce; Royce's invaluable service to faculty and students. Importance of meeting both pure academic and applied career needs of students; value of pure academic liberty to roam through course offerings, sampling disciplines which one may not pursue but which are nonetheless stimulating. Middle-aged woman's fascination with new courses available thirty years after her original studies. Ban Righ Foundation for Continuing University Education (support body for mature female students); warm reception of mature students by Queen's student body; valuable contribution of mature students to university life. Queen's policy of attracting students from across Canada: value in dispelling likeminded sterility, providing graduates with nation-wide network of contacts. Dramatic increase in number of Kingston law firms willing to accept women articling students; lawyers' delight in 'superb' women lawyers. judges' increased acceptance of women lawyers. Logical reasoning as the preserve of female as well as male human beings; irritating expression, 'She thinks like a man.' Disadvantaged position of business women; Sam Zion's Toronto Star advice column; Things My Mother Never Taught Me. Re-education of public tendency to assume any unspecified professional must be a man; continuing small-scale insults to women (e.g. by radio­ broadcasters). Appreciation of women's movement protests (even when strident, objectionable) as sole means of forcing men's attention to problem of unequal status of women.

Murray, Mary Alice

Nobles, Mildred Katherine

File consists of a recording of Mildred Nobles. Topics of the conversation include influence of Saskatchewan high school teachers (graduates of Queen's) in subject's decision to attend Queen's; Queen's extramural programme as sole viable study option. Avid reading habits as only child, prone to sickness, in Regina; ambition to learn. Three-year spell teaching out west combined with winter correspondence courses, summer attendance at Queen's; two years' full-time study and residence in Kingston. Detour of bats through Ban Righ Hall before installation of screened windows. Intense study habits of mature summer students. Meal-time formality in residence. Slight acquaintance with graduate Dr. Christine Rice, paucity of other women students entering her field. Employment with field pathologist, Ottawa; application for PhD programme motivated by job interest, pathologist's encouragement; enrolment U. of T. 1929-35. Large student enrolment in mycology, pathology; 20-hour student work-days; general research enthusiasm. Circumstantial element in subject's choice of speciality; realisation that fields of study equally fascinating exist by the hundred, are continually opening. Broad, satisfying basis of subject's speciality: work with forest pathologists across Canada, isolating pure fungus cultures for purpose of exact identification. Extensive original work, not only identifying cultures but establishing methods of culture comparison: crude at first, refined into highly satisfactory 'natural' system of classification distinguishing species on the basis of evolutionary developments. 'Nobles Code', system of representative digits used in combination to denote characteristics of fungus cultures, thus facilitating culture comparison; development into punchcard system, international adoption by scientists. Subject's George Lawson Award for contribution to botany; election to Royal Society of Canada. Demonstration at International Botanical Congress (1958), participation as sole woman member in 20-member international symposium at U. of Tennessee (1968); distinction as one of several pioneer women scientists honoured (1975) by Museum of Man, Ottawa. DisIike of 'woman scientist' designation, considered an irrelevant distinction; absence of sexist discrimination in Dept. of Agriculture, perhaps through influence of numerous female researchers, example set by previous women researchers. Separation of Dept. of Forestry from Dept. of Agriculture: subject's lack of direct contact with forest industry. Numerous enjoyable field trips: BC, Alberta, Ontario. Inexpressibly exciting, satisfying, rewarding life as research scientist; numerous international research trips following retirement (1969); occupational benefit of enjoying friends and interests everywhere.

Nobles, Mildred Katherine

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